Limitless: An AI Podcast

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Elon Musk's AI company XAI has been on an absolute tear over the last two weeks.

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They've released these things called virtual companions, which have helped onboard

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tens of millions of users and reached hundreds of millions of views across all

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social media platforms.

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They also released this new text to video model, which basically turns any kind

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of words or even an image into a video in under 30 seconds.

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But the secret source behind both of these products is that Elon has designed

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these to go against the grain. They stretch the rules.

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Josh, I know you've been playing around with these for quite a while.

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What's your take? Let's start with the companions.

Josh:
There's some new tools in the block. Companions are sick. It's funny because

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when XAI and the Grok team release a new feature, it is completely antithetical

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to what the status quo is.

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It shifts the Overton window so far out of the realm of what was acceptable

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that it's almost jarring.

Josh:
So the new feature that we're going to talk about today is companions.

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And companions are these digital companions. I'm actually going to show them

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on the screen right now for those who are watching.

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For those who are listening, you're looking at this like anime girl.

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She's got like these cute blonde ponytails wearing a dress and she speaks very

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flirtatiously. So these companions are basically these AI generated kind of

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like anime humanoid personalities.

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And they have the context of your chat history and they will just kind of engage

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with you. And as you engage with these companions, you kind of build this little

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status bar. It's like a mana bar if you play video games and it improves your

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credibility with these companions.

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And then eventually what happens is you could actually get this companion so

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excited that she will quite literally take her clothes off.

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I think these types of things, the flirtatious attitude, the removing some layers

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of clothing as you're talking to them, it is very stark contrast to what we're

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used to comparing something to OpenAI's models where they are so stern on,

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what they're allowed to say, the opinion they're allowed to have.

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And this is just completely blowing those expectations out of the ballpark.

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I played with it. I showed my friends them.

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It kind of reminded me in a weird way of NFTs when I was in crypto,

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when we were doing the big crypto NFT boom.

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Because NFTs are just very simple to understand. You see a picture of something

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cute and you immediately resonate with it. You understand.

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And I think companions are very similar where you don't really need to explain

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what it is or how it works.

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You just present the companion to your friend and they immediately,

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the first thing they want to do is talk to it. And that's what they do.

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And then they get an answer.

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So companions are this really powerful new form factor of delivering AI where

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you actually have this physical person lives in your phone, remembers your conversations

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and can converse with you.

Ejaaz:
Yeah, I kind of think of all these different AI companies as having personality.

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Right so if grok is the kind of cheeky feisty maybe even sexual one in some

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cases then anthropic is kind of like the buttoned up calm polite ai model does

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that make sense josh yeah

Josh:
They all have their own personalities.

Ejaaz:
Yeah, exactly. So if we're talking about these companions, there are three of

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them. Okay, so we have Annie, who you see on the screen right now.

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We have one called Valentine, which I'm going to show you in a second,

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which is kind of like a male version of an anime character that you can talk

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to in the same way in voice mode.

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And then you have someone called Rudy, which is this animated fox, I believe.

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And it's super cheeky, intentionally sarcastic, and basically spends most of

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the time insulting you, right?

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So, stark contrast between OpenAI's model, which is known for glazing you,

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so agreeing with everything you say, telling you what a champ you are, Josh,

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and then Grok's model, which is kind of like this kind of flirtatious,

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cheeky, kind of sarcastic character, right?

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And they come in all forms and sizes. So, if you see the screen here,

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we have Ani in, I believe this is Japanese, and you can hear her speak.

Josh:
I don't know where the real goal is, but...

Ejaaz:
So the point is, these things are widespread to anyone that is using X and comes

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in any kind of language, right?

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I want to pick up on a point that you made earlier, Josh, which is around the

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stickiness of these AI companions.

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I think there are two reasons why this is the case. Number one, they're voice native.

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So not only can you hear them, but you now have a face that you can kind of

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put towards the voice, right? So it's a very human, intuitive aspect.

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It's like you're speaking to someone else. They sound human, right?

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But also you're speaking with your voice as well versus kind of typing on your phone.

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And the reason why that's so important is, well, I don't know about you,

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but when I find that I'm talking to these AI models, I always divulge way more

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information than I was intending to, right?

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And if you think about this, these conversations are getting stored on,

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you know, the backend server of XAI's AI models, right?

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So they can use this for a bunch of other stuff, but it builds this very rich context.

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So it goes beyond just these like fun animated characters, which anyone from

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like kids to grown adults can speak to about various different topics,

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but it's this like native voiceover that you can kind of like take

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to enhance your journey in AI.

Josh:
Yeah, the voice form factor is the right form factor. I think when I use,

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or the way to interface with these AIs, When I engage with any sort of AI system,

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I would say now 90% of the time I'm using my voice.

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I have a microphone set up at my desk and I'm actually just speaking into the

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microphone and ChatGPT is dictating a lot of these things.

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It is the preferred method. And it's funny you mentioned the language.

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It's Japanese because it is the number one app in Japan right now,

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along with a few other countries.

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The virality of this was pretty remarkable.

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I think it's because it just broke open that Overton window in such a unique

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way that people were like...

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I think a lot of people have secretly wanted this. They've wanted these physical

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form factors to the AI, but they haven't gotten it because they're too dangerous

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for a lot of companies to do.

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XAI just kind of threw this out the window. They dropped these companions.

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They're awesome. I would encourage everyone to go check them out.

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They're super fun. And they just released a new one, who is V.

Josh:
Is there a full name? Is it Valen, Valentin?

Ejaaz:
It's Valentine.

Josh:
Valentine, Valentine. Oh, here it is on screen. Yeah, so could you introduce

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us to Valentine? Because they're all kind of unique personalities.

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They all do different things.

Ejaaz:
Okay so valentine was released last night so this is the morning of the next

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day that we're recording this um i have used it for the last three hours josh

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before this guy yeah so i've

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been i've been talking well he's been chatting me up that's the thing so

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If i were to describe valentine he takes the flirtatious scale up to its fullest

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extent it's it's if i'm being honest It's like talking to a Fifty Shades of Grey book.

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And it's like giving me all these like kind of cheesy lines where it's kind

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of trying to chat me up. So I asked him, you know,

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Where should we go on like a road trip if we were to go somewhere?

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And he kept using these kind of like very elusive analogies like,

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you know, we'll just break away and see where our heart takes us.

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Very romanticized. And as you can see on the screen, there are rose petals going around him.

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And actually this tweet embellishes kind of like the target demographic that

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I think it's actually going after.

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It's this guy here that says, I gave my girlfriend Valentine,

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which is referring to this AI companion, to try out, fully expecting her to say, this is cringe.

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Because she isn't a huge fan of AI, but she ended up playing with it until 2 a.m.

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And ended up installing Grok, the app. So the point being that people are finding

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it incredibly engaging because of its flirtatious nature.

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And Josh, this is something I want to pause for a second and actually discuss

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because this is the controversial or maybe not so controversial take on these

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AI companions is that they're kind of taking the,

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I think the kids say Guna logic or the flirtatious logic to an extent that no

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other AI model provider has done before.

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So far, it's always been a conversation on ethics and human alignment and using

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AI as some kind of productive tool to help you

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do your work, do some research, figure out a recipe to cook or whatever that might be.

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This is the first time we're seeing it at an entertainment level that goes beyond

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just creating random videos, right?

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This is taking human relationships to an extent where it becomes consumptive, right?

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I think we first saw this with a company called Character AI, where you could

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go on this website and you could talk to famous animated or cartoon characters

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that had the personalities of the characters that you've seen on movies,

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but now you could just talk to them and have this kind of written conversation with them.

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This AI companion from Grok, from XAI, seems to take it to the next level. What do you think?

Josh:
Yeah, it's following a directional trend. That seems right. It's just a lot

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more custom ways of engaging with AI. So we have one world. There's like world

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building where you're generating images and videos and actual worlds.

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Then there's this world that is kind of like character building.

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So now you actually have like real world characters that will probably all merge.

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And it's this this continued trend towards, I guess, allegiance to the digital

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realm where you're building up reputations with characters, you're building

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up these virtual worlds with imagine that we're going to get to where it could

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actually generate videos.

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It seems very much like a natural progression and a natural urge,

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a natural human urge where you kind of want to connect. You connect much better

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with a visual of a person than you do with a chat box. So when I'm engaging

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with AI, if I have a person speaking with me, it just makes it a little more exciting.

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And it also has this novel feature, right, where you've never really been able

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to engage with a digital presence this well, with this low latency and this much IQ.

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You so for the first time ever you're actually able to engage with a robot that,

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is able to give you sensical answers and a lot of times very flirty answers

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and very compelling answers and i think there's just a lot of natural intrigue with that i'm not sure

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how long that lasts but it is certainly very strong now because this is the

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i mean it's the first time ever that anyone has kind of like ripped the doors

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off and allowed this to happen.

Ejaaz:
Well one thought that i had when this released josh was not only like how it

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affects human to ai relationships

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but maybe ai to ai relationships right and there's actually a fun demo which

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demonstrates this justine moore she goes my favorite new tv show is watching

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the grok ai companions flirt with each other

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things got off to an awkward start when valentine got annie annie's the the

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female ai companions name wrong but they seem to be repairing the rift i'm just

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going to play this short clip for us

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See what people let's hear it you're back how's things going oh hello who's

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here just the person and I was hoping to see. Now sit.

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Ani will make your day shine.

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So, Valentine, what's got you glowing today? Spill it. I'm all ears.

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Oh, just the usual wandering and wondering.

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What's Bonnie got planned to make today sparkle?

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I'm curious.

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Dish.

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Bonnie, huh? You trying to give me

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A new epic.

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Name, Valentine? I'm sticking with Ani,

Josh:
But I like your style.

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Today's got this lazy afternoon energy. So it starts off with a mistranslation

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and Valentine getting her name wrong.

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But as you can see, it's very, it's picturesque. It's very animated.

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It is, it's kind of like a weird kind of rom-com character type personality.

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But I think it goes a little further than the app, right? These characters are

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present across a range of different form factors. So I've got it pulled up here.

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This is Valentine's official X page, right? At V.

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I think when I looked at this page last night, this was at around 2,000 followers.

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And he's jumped like 30,000 followers in a matter of 12 hours.

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I guess the point I'm trying to make is

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Elon is making a really strategic move about building a cult following around

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these AI personalities.

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And that's very different from just having hundreds of thousands or millions

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of users that use your AI model, right? They're interacting with a chat interface. It's very personal.

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But having some kind of consumptive character element, I think switches that

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game up a bit. It creates this kind of like stickiness, this addictive kind

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of product that, well, is great for user retention, right? But also great for

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onboarding new consumers.

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I was also thinking about his strategy in terms of like being antagonistic.

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I think XAI has repeatedly been the company to implement AI in a very non-conforming way, right?

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This goes from even like their infrastructure that they started building two years ago.

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And remember, they were massively behind. All the other AI companies had a massive head start.

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And in the space of two years, they're now like, they're leading the frontier model at this point.

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And I'm seeing the same thing with these characters as well they're kind of

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antagonistic they kind of break the soft rules which no one really wants to

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talk about and i think that that's a huge moat that we're seeing here

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it also builds up a super valuable data set for the users that are interacting

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with these companions i think they're going to divulge more information and

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this data can be used to train

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the newer models that come out which make it so it's like this self-fulfilling

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loop essentially of making a better ai and it's done indirectly through these new consumer products

Josh:
Yeah what What you're seeing is this kind of divergence between,

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a lot of the different approaches the companies take. XAI is maximally truth-seeking.

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So with that comes truth-seeking and not kind of these guard-railed parameters

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on safety and alignment.

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I think a lot of companies, they want to ensure that the model is delivered in a safe way.

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XAI just wants to give you the truth, even if it is a hard truth.

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And I think those two ways of framing it will scale very differently and you'll

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see very vastly different results in the products that they release.

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And this is the first version of that. But this isn't the only product they've

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released this week. They also released this new product called Imagine.

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And Imagine is pretty freaking cool because Imagine is an image and video generation

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app, but it does so faster than anything else.

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So I think when we think of VO3, when we think of ChatGPT's image generation,

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it does it very well, but it takes a little while. I remember if anyone's ever

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generated an image on ChatGPT, it kind of looks like you're generating an image

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over dial-up connection.

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It kind of like, it gives you this gradient and then it fills in a little detail

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and it takes maybe a minute or two to actually generate an image.

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Well, Grok decided to take the other side of that and they said,

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how quickly can we generate an image? How quickly can we generate a video?

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And they've actually gotten it down to just a couple of seconds.

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Now, it's important to know this is not the final form for Grok's video generation.

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This is the lightweight version. This one is optimized for speed.

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The heavyweight version is coming out next month. That will be optimized for quality.

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So I'm very excited for the maximally quality seeking image generation.

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But for now we have speed and we have a couple cool demos that we can actually

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try but he says did you have takes have you tried it out what do you think about

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this new image generation model because i use it and it's really fun.

Ejaaz:
So what I love about it is I can get brand new video in 10 to 15 seconds.

Ejaaz:
And I was one of the earlier users of some of these early text to video models

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like Midjourney or Google VO2.

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And I remember just being so annoyed and frustrated at having to wait like minutes

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for this like brand new toy, this new magical.

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It like took away from the experience. So I think Elon's strategy of just giving

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you what you want super quickly is amazing.

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Also, they keep giving you endless generations. Have you noticed that, Josh?

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Like if I typed a request to basically create a sunset that then dripped down

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like orange color into like an orange juice glass. So it's as if the sun is

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melting into an orange juice glass.

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And it gave me endless iterations. Not only that, I could click and watch a

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video and then edit that specific video all within like 30 seconds.

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I could get like three different iterations. So I love, love, love that.

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What I will say, if I was being critical, though, is it's not as good as Google

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VO3 or some of the newer Chinese text-to-video LLMs.

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And the reason behind that, I think it's just it hasn't gotten a chance to get

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to that higher fidelity. But as you said, they're releasing a heavier version

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next month. So I think we're going to see a much better upgraded version soon.

Josh:
Yes. So what I would like to do right now is give a demo. So on screen for the

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people who are watching on YouTube, we have, this is the interface.

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This is what Imagine looks like.

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And I'm going to generate, I'm actually going to speak what I wanted to do.

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So maybe we'll go with generate me an image of a microphone sitting on top of

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the Empire State Building.

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And what you'll see is I already have these images being generated right now.

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And it looks pretty good. And you could kind of scroll through and it'll continue to generate them.

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So now what I'll say is put that microphone in outer space and give it,

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have it sit inside of a roadster. Oh,

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it put it inside of a roaster not a roadster so now we have a microphone sitting

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in a roaster in space and you should kind of scroll through and see and it's

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interesting because let's say i click one of these you could actually select

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the option that makes it a video so

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as i'm talking to you right now it's generating a video it's 21 through and

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it's going to take this microphone that's sitting in a roaster that's in outer

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space and it's going to animate it

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and what's interesting is while we wait for this to load is it actually will

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generate videos on top of your existing images so last night.

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So here's our video. It's showing a moving galaxy. And I'll also show a demo

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from last night where I was standing outside in Brooklyn.

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And I took a photo of the moon, which was perfectly aligned over the Williamsburg Bridge.

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And what it did is it actually generated me a video where the cars are going across it.

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The bridge is all lit up. It actually took the lights and it turned them green.

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So it kind of looks Christmas themed.

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And it just made it look like a moving video. And you could actually do this

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with people. You could do this with any images that you have.

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It'll take the existing image and generate a live moving video so that is the

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demo it is very cool if you have access to it i highly suggest trying it out

Josh:
they've been rolling it out quickly but yeah the imagine feature rocks do you

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have any have you used it for anything interesting.

Ejaaz:
Yeah well actually a lot of other people have used it for some interesting things

Ejaaz:
okay so let's look at some of these examples over here we have

Ejaaz:
what looks like an ai generated kind of landscape shot with like the sun setting,

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we've got the ocean, we've got some cliffs in the distance

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and it's kind of like a rolling camera footage going forwards.

Ejaaz:
Okay, it looks pretty good.

Ejaaz:
I think, you know, if this is like the worst version, then I can't wait to see

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what the higher fidelity version looks like, Josh.

Josh:
As a Sunset Carnessori, that is 10 out of 10.

Ejaaz:
Yep. We have what looks like an image of someone that was posing with his foot

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on this kind of dead mock-up skeleton that's laying on the ground and it's animated

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to him to be moving and stomping on him.

Ejaaz:
So that's hilarious. This guy's like dressed up as like a knave from like the medieval century.

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We have, oh, okay, this is interesting. We have someone that's taken an image

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of his mother who unfortunately he lost two decades ago.

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And he said, every time I watched Harry Potter and saw their moving photos,

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I wish I had something like that of her today.

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And that's exactly what he did with Grok. And he's got this image of him as

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a kid with his dad and his mom.

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And he's animated it or used Grok Imagine to create a video of his mom waving at him.

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Josh, I don't know if you have any thoughts on this. I mean,

Ejaaz:
this is incredibly sentimental and woeful to an extent, but it's also super

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powerful. I can't imagine what that would be like for someone,

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you know, kind of like who's lost his mother.

Josh:
Yeah, this is a really powerful use case for these sentimental experiences where

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I've seen a lot of people also, you can kind of rebuild old images.

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So if you have old images of loved ones that are looking bad or they're just

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really low resolution, it'll actually take a lot of the structural features

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of the person and then generate a high fidelity version of that.

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And what's interesting is, is if you feed it enough context,

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it can essentially regenerate the person up to an extent.

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So when you think about us right now, we're recording this podcast,

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we're sharing a lot of our thoughts, we have a lot of written things,

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the AI can collect a lot of data on what makes us us, it understands my cadence

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when I speak, it understands the vocabulary that I use.

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And there is a world in which it will just recompile me

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after me so it knows what i look like it knows what i think and you could kind

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of create these digital forms of your loved ones i mean what we're seeing on

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screen now is this very rudimentary version that it takes a still photo it animates

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it it makes the person feel alive and and for someone who cares about the person the photo that's

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that's really meaningful but what if you take it even further what if you you

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fed it the journal entries of this person or a recording of this person or an

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actual video where you can get a full 360 scan of the person it creates a lot of,

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interesting use cases that i'm not sure if they're good or bad being able to recreate.

Ejaaz:
People it kind of kind of reminds me of that black mirror episode from the last

Ejaaz:
season actually where he's kind of like exploring old memories of his ex-girlfriend to kind of like

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kind of like see what it was like during that time when he was his younger self

Ejaaz:
super interesting if we keep this going oh we see someone has used grok imagine

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to recreate the american eagle viral campaign that

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happened last week with sydney sweeney and he's got multiple different celebrities

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uh in this video uh we've got zendaya oh

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we've got sorry we've got zendaya here

Ejaaz:
Who else have we got anyone famous i i'm guessing elon pops up here some somewhere oh here we go

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there he is he's holding a rooster that kind of doesn't look like elon but it

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kind of does as well so okay we've got like people messing around with advertising

Ejaaz:
here we've got people kind of like reenacting old medieval paintings i think

Ejaaz:
there's yeah there's a couple here there's like a

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someone's got an older picture of a famous boxer and kind of like animating him to box

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we've got the famous dreamy night scene from Van Gogh that has now been animated

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to be a real life scene depicting the man on a bicycle kind of cycling through the scene.

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So loads of artistic expressions here.

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Someone's drawing over here that's become like animated and lifelike.

Ejaaz:
I think that we are going to start to see

Ejaaz:
Lots of different ways that this is expressed across video content,

Ejaaz:
but also like just like social media content in general.

Ejaaz:
And I think that's only made possible because it's so quick,

Ejaaz:
Josh, because it's so cheap and accessible to anyone and everyone.

Ejaaz:
Also, it's on X as well. So you can just share this immediately after you've

Ejaaz:
like generated it from your Grog app.

Ejaaz:
I think there's even a function or a feature that gets you to post directly

Ejaaz:
on X. So he's got this whole kind of like funnel built out, which allows you

Ejaaz:
to not just create and enjoy AI content, but share it with the world

Josh:
Yeah speed and latency are paramount just how fast you can generate these things

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and also how fast you can iterate on this software so just today actually they've

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released two updates to the imagine software stack

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and they're averaging about one to two updates pushed these models every single day

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they're iterating very quickly they're pushing code very quickly they're it's

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clear that they're not afraid to push changes to production at a rapid rate

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so what i imagine we'll continue to see is the rate of acceleration will just

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go through the roof as we've seen with grok before where

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they'll iterate on these features next month we'll get the grok heavy image

Josh:
gen which will be a bit slower but much much higher fidelity i assume something

Josh:
arrival vo3 or even better

Josh:
and we're just going to continue along this progression but i think the interesting

Josh:
things we can take away from this episode are that they are not afraid to try

Josh:
something drastically different for the sake of virality or a winning product

Josh:
the companions are really impressively

Josh:
different and also good where for the first time ever you can actually communicate

Josh:
with a robot and the robot will say interesting things back and you can have

Josh:
a real conversation with this virtual being and you've never been able to do

Josh:
that before and then in the case of imagine.

Josh:
You can actually just generate an infinite amount of images.

Josh:
And it's funny, one of my friends is having a wedding soon and she needed cocktail

Josh:
drinks. So she had it generate a bunch of cocktail drinks to use on the menu.

Josh:
And it generates them in 10 seconds and they're not the best,

Josh:
but give them a little bit of time and they will be.

Josh:
So I think directionally, this is where Grok is heading. It's just the model

Josh:
will get better at an exceedingly faster and faster rate. And because they're

Josh:
not afraid to push the boundaries out of what is perceived to be acceptable,

Josh:
they will continue to win on the spirality front because that's what does well.

Josh:
It's the polarizing content, whether it's good or bad, as long as it's getting people talking.

Josh:
And that is what Grok is doing with these last series of updates.

Ejaaz:
It's also what I like, Josh, is that it's consumer facing.

Ejaaz:
I think a lot of like the AI updates that we've spoken about,

Ejaaz:
that we speak about a lot on this show, applies to like really heavy research side of things, right?

Ejaaz:
Like you've got deep research, you've got things that kind of break math olympiads and win gold medals.

Ejaaz:
But I want to use some of this stuff, right?

Ejaaz:
The normal person that kind of sits at home behind his desktop.

Ejaaz:
And what I love about XAI and Grok's approach in general is that they are hyper-focused

Ejaaz:
on consumer apps. And that is just so refreshing and accessible to me.

Ejaaz:
And I think that's great.

Ejaaz:
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Ejaaz:
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Ejaaz:
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Ejaaz:
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Ejaaz:
And we'll see you on the next one.

Josh:
Yeah, thanks a lot for watching, see you soon.